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Motability Car Losses Under PIP: Meet Denise

February 10, 2016


And last week, she was interviewed on the BBC.

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  1. Erik Zoha permalink
    February 10, 2016 12:48 pm

    Disgusting but typical of this Tory govt.

  2. February 10, 2016 1:04 pm

    Reblogged this on Christopher John Ball.

  3. February 10, 2016 1:41 pm

    Er…no. She has bought the car, so she won’t lose her job.

    • shaun permalink
      February 10, 2016 2:13 pm

      slap7. Ignorance (and some would add pure nastiness) is the fuel that propels most Tory party thinking and subsequent policies on disability issues. You should not add your made up name to their infamy. Mobility cars are leased; not owned by those that have access to them. If you miss a payment they take the car back. So from the moment your allowance is stopped the Mobility charity will seek to take vehicle the back.

      • February 10, 2016 2:19 pm

        Click the link to the BBC interview. Towards the end of the interview, she states that her family have helped her buy the car. Check the facts before posting.

    • Debbie permalink
      February 11, 2016 8:03 am

      The fact that this particular individual was able to keep her car despite it being taken from her, due to the kindness of family members who did not owe her their support, does *not* mean that there was no problem with it being removed in the first place. She quite emphatically wouldn’t have been able to keep her job or manage daily life if they had not done so. They did – but importantly, she would have been ruined if they had not. Remember that her motability car and income support is something which she (like every UK citizen) has paid contributions all her life to guarantee in the first place. Not everyone has family who are willing or able to afford to buy cars, pay rent, and otherwise top up the immoral and deliberately harmful shortfalls currently being inflicted on those who will never be in a position to recover them.

      • February 11, 2016 8:15 am

        Yes…it must have been a worrying time,but my point is that she never lost the use of her car – & therefore kept her job. She’s a bad example to use to attack PIP.

  4. February 10, 2016 2:28 pm

    I subscribe to the Same Difference site because I’m a carer for a disabled person – she has a Motability car. However, this is sloppy reporting. As I advised shawn, listen to the original recording, & Denise states that she’s bought the car. Therefore, she remains mobile & will be able to keep her job. Motability will have given her a £2,000 one-off payment to assist her.

    • shaun permalink
      February 10, 2016 7:04 pm

      Have you read this:
      IDS Demands That Benefit Claimants Should Be Removed From The Electoral Register
      by samedifference1
      If this is not satire, as we hope it is but fear it isn’t, it is very worrying. Human beings living in a democracy in the 21st century, of working age, should all have the vote. To remove the vote from any group who are of working age in a democracy, these days, suggests at the very least that the word democracy would lose its meaning.
      Iain Duncan Smith has reportedly demanded that those in receipt of benefits be removed from the electoral register, according to a letter leaked to the press today.

      The Work and Pensions Secretary justified his request by arguing that it is unfair that people not currently paying into the system, either through working or by being high net wealth individuals, should be allowed to have a say in how public money is spent.

      His letter to the Prime Minister went on to suggest that withdrawing the right to vote in this way, would provide a “much needed incentive for the workshy, ill and disabled to find work”, and for those in work to stay “in work and off benefits”. The letter also questioned whether those under the age of 25, who tend to be “more prone to idealism”, ought to be permitted to vote, albeit with a possible exception “for members of the Young Conservatives.”

      There is speculation in Westminster that the timing of this letter is related to the upcoming referendum on whether the UK should leave the EU, and a possible snap general election that some are predicting to take place thereafter. In this context, barring voters who are the least likely to vote for ‘Brexit’ or for the Conservative Party, may be seen by some as a useful measure.

      A DWP spokeswoman refused to comment directly on the leaked letter, but told reporters: “Iain Duncan Smith believes that in a perfect world everybody would be able to enjoy a full suite of human rights, but with rights come responsibilities, and some rights should only be granted to those who have paid-in.”
      I suggest it’s time you wake up and ‘smell the coffee’ before us disabled people are put onto a train to Bergan-Belsen or whatever, IDS will call that benefit reduction scheme.

      • February 10, 2016 7:12 pm

        I’ve just been informed that’s satire, thankfully.

      • shaun permalink
        February 10, 2016 8:09 pm

        It’s a sad incitement on this government that someone thinks it’s worthwhile doing this (i.e that enough people would believe it to be a fact and not satire). That it turn, probably, reflects the ‘punch drunk’ state a constant stream of abuse from the Tories and right-wing media has done to the psychology of the disabled. Though I guess a lot of carers and non-disabled people would have thought it true too.

      • Alan Phillips permalink
        February 10, 2016 10:40 pm

        Well i wasn’t gullible enough to believe it was true! It takes some lack of insight to believe that prisoners would still get the vote but not disabled people for God sales man get your head out of your arse!!!

      • Alan Phillips permalink
        February 10, 2016 11:08 pm

        Shaun – I wasn’t gullible enough to believe the IDS letter was true! It takes some lack of insight to believe that prisoners would still get the vote but not disabled people for God sakes man get your head out of your arse!!!
        Can we all actually say we don’t believe anyone is / was claiming disability benefits without the right to claim? I have written here in the past few days in regard to the channel 5 situation with the idiots who have appeared on their shows selling benefits claimants out as scroungers. We have been betrayed by people who claimed to be disabled whether actual or actors. I have seen people claim and work as builders, claim and work as binmen both for serious back injuries!
        The benefits needed to be looked at – that has not been done correctly IMHO However, it did need to be done and beloved Labour as it is on here, intended to do just the same whatever they now say, its easy to say you wouldn’t when you don’t have too!!!
        NOBODY is owed a car by the government because of what they have paid in via National Insurance and Tax. Or by what they have not paid in! National Insurance was never based on that contract. We payy in a share of what it costs to run the country!

  5. February 10, 2016 2:54 pm

    More info for you, shawn, if you need anymore help, do let me know.

    “Am I able to buy my current car, and if so, how much will it cost?

    If you are not awarded the Enhanced Rate of the Mobility Component of PIP, please contact us as soon as possible to let us know. As soon as the DWP confirms that you are no longer eligible for the Scheme, we will write to you giving you more information specific to your situation. This will include a personalised quote for you to purchase the Motability vehicle. The transitional support package that you would otherwise have received when returning the vehicle, will be taken off the cost of buying the car.”

    • February 10, 2016 4:55 pm

      Great; ut what about those people who don’t have family to borrow money from? What happens when you need a new car with the expense of the new addaptations in that car? Personally I feel your response is a little short sighted, but I’m happy to be corrected?

    • shaun permalink
      February 10, 2016 6:47 pm

      Dear slap7. You have added economy with the facts to ignorance. Here’s why. First the facts. My comments were based on the evidence presented on this post and its general application, for what must be 80 – 90% of those that have PIP taken away from them. Also, technically she had lost her Mobility car; as she now has a privately purchased vehicle. If her family had not loaned her the money to purchase a car then it is quite likely she would have lost her job; you did not mention in this in you rather pithy comment. That’s a shame, as it is what would happen for most people in similar circumstances.
      The point for a journalist is to use the specifics of an individual circumstance to illustrate the impact of a policy on the overall ‘population’ who have PIP taken away from. Your pithy comment ‘Er…no. She has bought the car, so she won’t lose her job’, does exactly the opposite. You needed to add something along the lines, ‘ . . . but fortunately her family lent her the money to purchase the car so she managed not to loose her job. I imagine that could have quite humiliating for her and unnecessary for someone whose paid £1000’s in National Insurance, not to mention Income Tax. It should be unnecessary for someone living in the world’s 5th richest nation, with more billionaires per capita than any other developed country in the world!
      Now to ignorance. The one-off £2000 payment from Mobility would not purchase a new vehicle and probably not a decent second hand one either. Most of those with disabilities can not get out their vehicle and undertake even the most basic of repairs or wait, potentially, hours for a mechanic to arrive. And most do not have somebody sat in the car with them who could do that for them. In addition if the vehicle does not start the option of getting on a bus or walking to work are not possible options, The Mobility car scheme, due to its bulk purchasing power, includes the following features:Full repair cover, collection, servicing, replacement tyres, insurance, enhanced road side assistance and specialist advice, they arrange Road Tax excemption too, and payment for adaptations. This is a useful list as it sets out all those things a disabled person needs and so what the one-off £2000 will have to fund – for every year a disabled person is to work/drive a car. Clearly, it’s totally inadequate to cover the first year’s cost let alone on going costs. It’s real purpose is clearly stated amongst its conditions. Namely, the vehicle has to be handed back undamaged and with the full assistance of the previous leasee. That is to state the disabled person or their relatives must not take their frustration at loosing PIP on the vehicle that does not belong to them and they must loose the keys, be out when the recovery vehicle driver comes to collect the car. In summary it’s an encouragement not to behaive unreasonably in response to an unreasonable government policy.

      I note you’ve not stated whether you argee with the changes introduced by this government and the fact 46% of former recipients are currently not getting the new benefit. Neither whether people who have jobs and loose the benefit is a good outcome. Because these are the real points here and one most people with a disability would think of straight away and rate as the most important. Points about bad journalism are best directed towards the Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph and occasionally the Times, BBC and Guardian,


  6. February 10, 2016 4:47 pm

    Reblogged this on disabledsingleparent.

  7. February 10, 2016 4:54 pm

    Yes, Denise has been lent the money to buy the car. She is one of the few lucky ones. But the point is that she shouldn’t have had to buy the car. Many in her situation don’t have people who can lend them the price of a car, so they lose their independence and often their jobs.

    • February 10, 2016 4:57 pm

      I agree totally with you. Her disability hasn’t lessened in any way since the day before, on nor the day after her assessement so how can the taking away of her claim be justified? It can’t!

      • February 10, 2016 5:16 pm

        Facts again: under the old rules she qualified, under the new rules she dosen’t. I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying it’s wrong. My point is that the story is misleading – she still has her car & she’s not lost her job. It would have been better if it had been someone who had actually lost their car & therefore lost their job.

  8. February 10, 2016 4:55 pm

    Reblogged on disabledsingleparent

  9. February 10, 2016 8:23 pm

    Reblogged this on 61chrissterry.

  10. March 22, 2016 11:34 pm

    Hi i will make this quick if at all possible.I have a Lung disease,industrial from working in the building trade for the past 35 years.I also have osteporosis of the knees and hip Gout which occurs more than 5 times a year plus other ailments i will not go in to other ailments i will not not mention.
    I wear leg braces similar to robo cops legs if you get my drift very uncomfortable and uncontrollable without 2 sticks to keep you in the right direction.My point being here is that i live in the countryside with the nearest bus route being 3 miles away,more importantly is that unlike most other people i am unable to have any operations to rectify my knees and hips due to my lungs being in such a poor condition they advised me that i would be unlikely to recover from any op.Guess what they took my car away i was gutted it was my only lifeline to the world,i am now stuck unable to collect prescriptions or attend any Doctor or Hospital appointments,but worse of all was that i was given 8 weeks notice for a pip house visit,i got a phone call on the Fri stating that they would be attending my home on the following Mon for my assessment,i had know chance to get any paperwork in order in other words i had no chance to fight back.I eventually got 11 points 1 point from the higher rate.To make matters worse it will take up to 3 weeks to redeem the £2000 promised to help people in my situation,what are genuine sick people like ourselves going to do personally God knows.



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